[bdNOG] IX and Local Peering

Jahangir Hossain jrjahangir at gmail.com
Sat Nov 23 15:02:02 BDT 2013


That's cool for change the subject :)

I think we may take some initiative  for awareness buildup for IX
connectivity who are still not in  local IX .

For NIX issue i feel, firstly we need trust and respect among us .





Regards  //  Jahangir



On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Fakrul Alam <fakrul at bdhub.com> wrote:

> Yes, Hasib Bhai; it's also possible. Regarding NIX; well no comments :-)
>
> By the way I have changed the Subject as the topic changed to something
> else.
>
> ---
> Pappu
>
> On 11/23/13, 2:19 PM, Mohibul Hasib Mahmud wrote:
> > Pappu Bhai,
> >
> > I know currently BDIX not providing hosting space. It is my proposal that
> > if some content mutually benefited to all can we put them in the BDIX
> > depending on consensus among the BDIX members.
> >
> > IX for IIG also good thing because by that we could also save foreign
> > currency.
> >
> > I was just wondering if there is policy in place why NIX is not
> happening.
> > What are the road blocks.
> >
> >
> > Hasib
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Fakrul Alam <fakrul at bdhub.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Hasib Bhai,
> >>
> >> I think we are missing one point...."hosting content in BDIX". As far as
> >> I know...BDIX won't give you hosting/collocation service; it only help
> >> you to do the local peering. It's ISP / Hosting provider who bring out
> >> the content and facilitates it's to IX.
> >>
> >> Regarding "connectivity between IIG" is pretty messy :-). Connecting 30+
> >> IIG?? Think we need to consider IX for IIG also :-) As per IIG
> Guideline:
> >>
> >> 9.07: For domestic internet traffic, all ISPs and BWAs will be connected
> >> with Nationla Internet Exchanges(s) (NIX), which shall operate on a
> >> peering basis. IIG shall also be connected to NIX if so directed by the
> >> Commission as and when needed.
> >> 9.08: IIGs shall have interconnection among themselves. PoPs of
> >> different IIGs shall have interconnection among themselves.
> >>
> >> So there is no legal issue; only awareness. Correct me if I am wrong.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Pappu
> >>
> >> On 11/23/13, 1:43 PM, Mohibul Hasib Mahmud wrote:
> >>> I am agree with Simon Bhai. I am using lots of issues with BDIX
> specially
> >>> since I am taking full BGP routing table from Internet, I am facing lot
> >> of
> >>> issues connecting other peers in the BDIX. Some of the issues I have
> >>> already discussed with Sumon Bhai. May be Simon Bhai also can remember.
> >>>
> >>> I also agree with Pappu Bhai and I have no disagreements. I would like
> to
> >>> add few things.
> >>>
> >>> Regarding point 2 I think we need to raise awareness also need to
> >>> understand why they do not want to connect to BDIX. Then I think we can
> >>> find out a plan.
> >>>
> >>> Regarding point 3 my comment is if somebody wants to host in google let
> >>> them do it. Later may be we can ask google to put a server at BDIX.
> >>>
> >>> Regarding point 3 content issue. It will not solve overnight. We need
> to
> >>> support whatever initiative is currently available. Things like we
> could
> >>> host Khan Academy Bangla lessons in the BDIX. So that other content
> >>> providers will be benefited.
> >>>
> >>> Besides these points I would like to raise another issue. We need
> >>> connectivity between IIGs. I think this is the first thing. I don't
> know
> >>> the legal issues but if there is any than we need to take initiative to
> >>> make regulator understand the issue.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Hasib
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Simon Sohel Baroi / IIG-ITC /
> >> Sr.Manager /
> >>> 01678618243 / <simon.baroi at fiberathome.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dear Pappu Vai,
> >>>>
> >>>> Some very important point you haven mentioned.
> >>>>
> >>>> One main issue comes is the IX. As per our discussion there are so
> many
> >>>> routing level issue in the IX. Even from F at H, we couldn't connect
> with
> >>>> them, due to the hassle we have to take to manage the prefixes.
> >>>>
> >>>> I want to give a proposal. Can we sit next week at your office, with
> the
> >>>> people of BDIX to solve the routing issue. I will try to bring SUMON
> >> vai,
> >>>> as he has a huge contribution for this and from the planning stage he
> >> was
> >>>> with BDIX.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lets sit and resolve the issue. In Phase-2 we will sit for the
> Chaching
> >>>> issue.
> >>>>
> >>>> - with regards
> >>>>
> >>>> SIMON
> >>>>
> >>>> *P.S : a small room with 20 people can sit is enough with a board.*
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Fakrul Alam <fakrul at bdhub.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Dear Simon Bhai / Hasib Bhai
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No doubt about local peering. Putting GGC/Akamai in IX is bigger part
> >>>>> but don't you think still we are missing few important issues:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Only one site (www.prothom-alo.com) is hosted in BD among the top
> >> 50
> >>>>> sites in Bangladesh (ranked by Alexa).
> >>>>> 2. AFAIK only one Telco is connected in BDIX. Not sure about the
> WiMAX.
> >>>>> 3. ISP them self hosting there mail server in Google Cloud rather
> than
> >>>>> maintaining it by themselves.
> >>>>> 4. Very little/no initiatives to increase local content.
> >>>>> 5. ISP still can't feel the difference between Transit & Peering.
> They
> >>>>> are asking for IX connectivity to there IIG (Transit Provider) and
> lots
> >>>>> of packages are going on in market. I think you understand the point.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For GGC/Akamai or other CDN we have to meet certain criteria and
> there
> >>>>> are dependencies. But there are something which is within our control
> >>>>> but still missing. Finger cross...and hope for the best.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Pappu
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 11/23/13, 12:30 PM, Simon Sohel Baroi / IIG-ITC / Sr.Manager /
> >>>>> 01678618243 / wrote:
> >>>>>> Really agreed with Pappu vai's comment. Finanacial thing is the
> >> biggest
> >>>>>> issue.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Roman vai, Peering through ITC is not possible. As Bharti and Tata
> >>>>>> forcefully bundle the price with IP transit. You can connect with
> the
> >>>>> CDN
> >>>>>> operator ot IX directly. But they will charge you IPLC and IP
> transit
> >>>>>> together. So, peering become more costly solution.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regarding Global cache. I talked with Akamai. Their cach is very big
> >> and
> >>>>>> running in 2 places in Bangladesh. But they want to connect them
> with
> >>>>> BDIX.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Simon.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Saturday, November 23, 2013, Mohibul Hasib Mahmud wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My personal observation is we should work for more local peering
> and
> >>>>>>> global cache locally in the form of CDN ( global CDN like Akamai)
> to
> >>>>>>> improve end user experience.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>> Hasib
> >>>>>>> BRACNet
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Nurul Islam Roman <
> nurul at apnic.net
> >> <javascript:_e({},
> >>>>> 'cvml', 'nurul at apnic.net');>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> What is something else :).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Is it more peering? Does it worth peering with IPLC?  Or should we
> >>>>>>>> advocate more local peering and bring global cache locally?  I
> have
> >>>>> got
> >>>>>>>> positive comments in BD though regarding peering with IPLC
> >> (specially
> >>>>> end
> >>>>>>>> user experience) and also price perspective. What is the community
> >>>>> thought
> >>>>>>>> on this? BIG FAT vs Good quality? Thanks Simon for bringing this.
> :)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Roman
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 23/11/13 4:52 AM, "Fakrul Alam" <fakrul at bdhub.com
> >> <javascript:_e({},
> >>>>>>>> 'cvml', 'fakrul at bdhub.com');>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This been tricky. There are two aspects; financial & technical.
> >>>>>>>>> Technically it's been great to have big names like PCCW, HGC,
> HKIX,
> >>>>>>>>> Telstra, NTT, AT&T; but you need to find out whether it's been
> >>>>> feasible
> >>>>>>>>> financially when:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 1. You have 30++ IIG in the market.
> >>>>>>>>> 2. BSCCL half circuit price is roughly 80% of your total b/w cost
> >> for
> >>>>>>>>> SMW4.
> >>>>>>>>> 3. 10% revenue share with BTRC.
> >>>>>>>>> 4. Competitive market where price win in all aspect.
> >>>>>>>>> 5. ITC holding IIG license (I know there will be lot of
> arguments)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -Pappu
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 11/22/13, 9:17 PM, Simon Sohel Baroi / IIG-ITC / Sr.Manager /
> >>>>>>>>> 01678618243 / wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Dear All,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I think so many topic is going on. I want to add another one.
> This
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>> really important as all of us want to have a good internet in
> >>>>>>>>>> Bangladesh.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Before the ITC Connectivity comes to Bangladesh. We found MANGO
> >> and
> >>>>>>>> BTCL
> >>>>>>>>>> connected with different Tire-1 IP Transit Providers.
> >>>>>>>>>> But the number were limited to TIS, Bharti, Singtel, TM. As the
> >>>>> price
> >>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>> really high, then people couldn't tell anything about the
> transit
> >>>>>>>>>> provider.
> >>>>>>>>>> I found MANGO sometimes added some new name in their list. But
> >> BTCL
> >>>>>>>>>> didn't,
> >>>>>>>>>> as expected. Now the new player, BSCCL is connected only with
> TIS.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> When ITC comes, the scenario become worst. The internet cost
> >> reduced
> >>>>>>>> 82%
> >>>>>>>>>> and all of us get connected with TATA and Bharti.
> >>>>>>>>>> As the big borthers wont allow the ITC provider to go with IPLC
> >> and
> >>>>> go
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> other providers. The price is binded with their IP Transit. Some
> >>>>> kind
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> IPLC kinle IPTransit FREE.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> All of us Bharti and TATA - with big big pipe. When a client
> ping
> >>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> laptop, they have to pass atleast one of them.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> *Don't you think, we are missing some good things ? ( Big names
> >> like
> >>>>>>>>>> PCCW,
> >>>>>>>>>> HGC, HKIX, Telstra, NTT, AT&T etc ) *
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> *Don't you think, we are giving client a very bad internet
> >>>>> experience
> >>>>>>>> ?*
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> *OR*
> >>>>>>>>>> *Getting Google within 70ms is more than enough for the client.*
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> What do you think - BIG FAT Pipe with INDIA  - or -  GOOD
> Transit
> >>>>>>>>>> Providers
> >>>>>>>>>> - or - Something else. ?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - with regards
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> SIMON
> >>>>>>>>>> *( Apu da and Amin vai, please don't get me wrong as I have used
> >>>>>>>> MANGO's
> >>>>>>>>>> name without your permission )*
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
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Regards  //  Jahangir Hossain
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