[bdNOG] BIG FAT Pipe with INDIA - or - GOOD Transit Providers - or - Something else

Sat Nov 23 13:43:53 BDT 2013

I am agree with Simon Bhai. I am using lots of issues with BDIX specially
since I am taking full BGP routing table from Internet, I am facing lot of
issues connecting other peers in the BDIX. Some of the issues I have
already discussed with Sumon Bhai. May be Simon Bhai also can remember.

I also agree with Pappu Bhai and I have no disagreements. I would like to
add few things.

Regarding point 2 I think we need to raise awareness also need to
understand why they do not want to connect to BDIX. Then I think we can
find out a plan.

Regarding point 3 my comment is if somebody wants to host in google let
them do it. Later may be we can ask google to put a server at BDIX.

Regarding point 3 content issue. It will not solve overnight. We need to
support whatever initiative is currently available. Things like we could
host Khan Academy Bangla lessons in the BDIX. So that other content
providers will be benefited.

Besides these points I would like to raise another issue. We need
connectivity between IIGs. I think this is the first thing. I don't know
the legal issues but if there is any than we need to take initiative to
make regulator understand the issue.

Thanks
Hasib

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Simon Sohel Baroi / IIG-ITC / Sr.Manager /
01678618243 / <simon.baroi at fiberathome.net> wrote:

> Dear Pappu Vai,
>
> Some very important point you haven mentioned.
>
> One main issue comes is the IX. As per our discussion there are so many
> routing level issue in the IX. Even from F at H, we couldn't connect with
> them, due to the hassle we have to take to manage the prefixes.
>
> I want to give a proposal. Can we sit next week at your office, with the
> people of BDIX to solve the routing issue. I will try to bring SUMON vai,
> as he has a huge contribution for this and from the planning stage he was
> with BDIX.
>
> Lets sit and resolve the issue. In Phase-2 we will sit for the Chaching
> issue.
>
> - with regards
>
> SIMON
>
> *P.S : a small room with 20 people can sit is enough with a board.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Fakrul Alam <fakrul at bdhub.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Simon Bhai / Hasib Bhai
>>
>> No doubt about local peering. Putting GGC/Akamai in IX is bigger part
>> but don't you think still we are missing few important issues:
>>
>> 1. Only one site (www.prothom-alo.com) is hosted in BD among the top 50
>> sites in Bangladesh (ranked by Alexa).
>> 2. AFAIK only one Telco is connected in BDIX. Not sure about the WiMAX.
>> 3. ISP them self hosting there mail server in Google Cloud rather than
>> maintaining it by themselves.
>> 4. Very little/no initiatives to increase local content.
>> 5. ISP still can't feel the difference between Transit & Peering. They
>> are asking for IX connectivity to there IIG (Transit Provider) and lots
>> of packages are going on in market. I think you understand the point.
>>
>> For GGC/Akamai or other CDN we have to meet certain criteria and there
>> are dependencies. But there are something which is within our control
>> but still missing. Finger cross...and hope for the best.
>>
>> -Pappu
>>
>> On 11/23/13, 12:30 PM, Simon Sohel Baroi / IIG-ITC / Sr.Manager /
>> 01678618243 / wrote:
>> > Really agreed with Pappu vai's comment. Finanacial thing is the biggest
>> > issue.
>> >
>> > Roman vai, Peering through ITC is not possible. As Bharti and Tata
>> > forcefully bundle the price with IP transit. You can connect with the
>> CDN
>> > operator ot IX directly. But they will charge you IPLC and IP transit
>> > together. So, peering become more costly solution.
>> >
>> > Regarding Global cache. I talked with Akamai. Their cach is very big and
>> > running in 2 places in Bangladesh. But they want to connect them with
>> BDIX.
>> >
>> > Simon.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Saturday, November 23, 2013, Mohibul Hasib Mahmud wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> My personal observation is we should work for more local peering and
>> >> global cache locally in the form of CDN ( global CDN like Akamai) to
>> >> improve end user experience.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Hasib
>> >> BRACNet
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Nurul Islam Roman <nurul at apnic.net<javascript:_e({},
>> 'cvml', 'nurul at apnic.net');>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> What is something else :).
>> >>>
>> >>> Is it more peering? Does it worth peering with IPLC?  Or should we
>> >>> advocate more local peering and bring global cache locally?  I have
>> got
>> >>> positive comments in BD though regarding peering with IPLC (specially
>> end
>> >>> user experience) and also price perspective. What is the community
>> thought
>> >>> on this? BIG FAT vs Good quality? Thanks Simon for bringing this. :)
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards
>> >>>
>> >>> Roman
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 23/11/13 4:52 AM, "Fakrul Alam" <fakrul at bdhub.com<javascript:_e({},
>> >>> 'cvml', 'fakrul at bdhub.com');>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> This been tricky. There are two aspects; financial & technical.
>> >>>> Technically it's been great to have big names like PCCW, HGC, HKIX,
>> >>>> Telstra, NTT, AT&T; but you need to find out whether it's been
>> feasible
>> >>>> financially when:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1. You have 30++ IIG in the market.
>> >>>> 2. BSCCL half circuit price is roughly 80% of your total b/w cost for
>> >>>> SMW4.
>> >>>> 3. 10% revenue share with BTRC.
>> >>>> 4. Competitive market where price win in all aspect.
>> >>>> 5. ITC holding IIG license (I know there will be lot of arguments)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Cheers
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Pappu
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 11/22/13, 9:17 PM, Simon Sohel Baroi / IIG-ITC / Sr.Manager /
>> >>>> 01678618243 / wrote:
>> >>>>> Dear All,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I think so many topic is going on. I want to add another one. This
>> is
>> >>>>> really important as all of us want to have a good internet in
>> >>>>> Bangladesh.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Before the ITC Connectivity comes to Bangladesh. We found MANGO and
>> >>> BTCL
>> >>>>> connected with different Tire-1 IP Transit Providers.
>> >>>>> But the number were limited to TIS, Bharti, Singtel, TM. As the
>> price
>> >>>>> was
>> >>>>> really high, then people couldn't tell anything about the transit
>> >>>>> provider.
>> >>>>> I found MANGO sometimes added some new name in their list. But BTCL
>> >>>>> didn't,
>> >>>>> as expected. Now the new player, BSCCL is connected only with TIS.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> When ITC comes, the scenario become worst. The internet cost reduced
>> >>> 82%
>> >>>>> and all of us get connected with TATA and Bharti.
>> >>>>> As the big borthers wont allow the ITC provider to go with IPLC and
>> go
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> other providers. The price is binded with their IP Transit. Some
>> kind
>> >>> of
>> >>>>> IPLC kinle IPTransit FREE.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> All of us Bharti and TATA - with big big pipe. When a client ping
>> from
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> laptop, they have to pass atleast one of them.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> *Don't you think, we are missing some good things ? ( Big names like
>> >>>>> PCCW,
>> >>>>> HGC, HKIX, Telstra, NTT, AT&T etc ) *
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> *Don't you think, we are giving client a very bad internet
>> experience
>> >>> ?*
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> *OR*
>> >>>>> *Getting Google within 70ms is more than enough for the client.*
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> What do you think - BIG FAT Pipe with INDIA  - or -  GOOD Transit
>> >>>>> Providers
>> >>>>> - or - Something else. ?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> - with regards
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> SIMON
>> >>>>> *( Apu da and Amin vai, please don't get me wrong as I have used
>> >>> MANGO's
>> >>>>> name without your permission )*
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
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