<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">That's cool for change the subject :) <br><br>I think we may take some initiative for awareness buildup for IX connectivity who are still not in local IX .<br>
<br>For NIX issue i feel, firstly we need trust and respect among us .<br><br><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;display:inline">
</div>Regards // Jahangir </span><br></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Fakrul Alam <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fakrul@bdhub.com" target="_blank">fakrul@bdhub.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Yes, Hasib Bhai; it's also possible. Regarding NIX; well no comments :-)<br>
<br>
By the way I have changed the Subject as the topic changed to something<br>
else.<br>
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Pappu<br>
<br>
On 11/23/13, 2:19 PM, Mohibul Hasib Mahmud wrote:<br>
> Pappu Bhai,<br>
><br>
> I know currently BDIX not providing hosting space. It is my proposal that<br>
> if some content mutually benefited to all can we put them in the BDIX<br>
> depending on consensus among the BDIX members.<br>
><br>
> IX for IIG also good thing because by that we could also save foreign<br>
> currency.<br>
><br>
> I was just wondering if there is policy in place why NIX is not happening.<br>
> What are the road blocks.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Hasib<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Fakrul Alam <<a href="mailto:fakrul@bdhub.com">fakrul@bdhub.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Dear Hasib Bhai,<br>
>><br>
>> I think we are missing one point...."hosting content in BDIX". As far as<br>
>> I know...BDIX won't give you hosting/collocation service; it only help<br>
>> you to do the local peering. It's ISP / Hosting provider who bring out<br>
>> the content and facilitates it's to IX.<br>
>><br>
>> Regarding "connectivity between IIG" is pretty messy :-). Connecting 30+<br>
>> IIG?? Think we need to consider IX for IIG also :-) As per IIG Guideline:<br>
>><br>
>> 9.07: For domestic internet traffic, all ISPs and BWAs will be connected<br>
>> with Nationla Internet Exchanges(s) (NIX), which shall operate on a<br>
>> peering basis. IIG shall also be connected to NIX if so directed by the<br>
>> Commission as and when needed.<br>
>> 9.08: IIGs shall have interconnection among themselves. PoPs of<br>
>> different IIGs shall have interconnection among themselves.<br>
>><br>
>> So there is no legal issue; only awareness. Correct me if I am wrong.<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Pappu<br>
>><br>
>> On 11/23/13, 1:43 PM, Mohibul Hasib Mahmud wrote:<br>
>>> I am agree with Simon Bhai. I am using lots of issues with BDIX specially<br>
>>> since I am taking full BGP routing table from Internet, I am facing lot<br>
>> of<br>
>>> issues connecting other peers in the BDIX. Some of the issues I have<br>
>>> already discussed with Sumon Bhai. May be Simon Bhai also can remember.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I also agree with Pappu Bhai and I have no disagreements. I would like to<br>
>>> add few things.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Regarding point 2 I think we need to raise awareness also need to<br>
>>> understand why they do not want to connect to BDIX. Then I think we can<br>
>>> find out a plan.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Regarding point 3 my comment is if somebody wants to host in google let<br>
>>> them do it. Later may be we can ask google to put a server at BDIX.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Regarding point 3 content issue. It will not solve overnight. We need to<br>
>>> support whatever initiative is currently available. Things like we could<br>
>>> host Khan Academy Bangla lessons in the BDIX. So that other content<br>
>>> providers will be benefited.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Besides these points I would like to raise another issue. We need<br>
>>> connectivity between IIGs. I think this is the first thing. I don't know<br>
>>> the legal issues but if there is any than we need to take initiative to<br>
>>> make regulator understand the issue.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks<br>
>>> Hasib<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Simon Sohel Baroi / IIG-ITC /<br>
>> Sr.Manager /<br>
>>> 01678618243 / <<a href="mailto:simon.baroi@fiberathome.net">simon.baroi@fiberathome.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Dear Pappu Vai,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Some very important point you haven mentioned.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> One main issue comes is the IX. As per our discussion there are so many<br>
>>>> routing level issue in the IX. Even from F@H, we couldn't connect with<br>
>>>> them, due to the hassle we have to take to manage the prefixes.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I want to give a proposal. Can we sit next week at your office, with the<br>
>>>> people of BDIX to solve the routing issue. I will try to bring SUMON<br>
>> vai,<br>
>>>> as he has a huge contribution for this and from the planning stage he<br>
>> was<br>
>>>> with BDIX.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Lets sit and resolve the issue. In Phase-2 we will sit for the Chaching<br>
>>>> issue.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> - with regards<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> SIMON<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> *P.S : a small room with 20 people can sit is enough with a board.*<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Fakrul Alam <<a href="mailto:fakrul@bdhub.com">fakrul@bdhub.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Dear Simon Bhai / Hasib Bhai<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> No doubt about local peering. Putting GGC/Akamai in IX is bigger part<br>
>>>>> but don't you think still we are missing few important issues:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> 1. Only one site (<a href="http://www.prothom-alo.com" target="_blank">www.prothom-alo.com</a>) is hosted in BD among the top<br>
>> 50<br>
>>>>> sites in Bangladesh (ranked by Alexa).<br>
>>>>> 2. AFAIK only one Telco is connected in BDIX. Not sure about the WiMAX.<br>
>>>>> 3. ISP them self hosting there mail server in Google Cloud rather than<br>
>>>>> maintaining it by themselves.<br>
>>>>> 4. Very little/no initiatives to increase local content.<br>
>>>>> 5. ISP still can't feel the difference between Transit & Peering. They<br>
>>>>> are asking for IX connectivity to there IIG (Transit Provider) and lots<br>
>>>>> of packages are going on in market. I think you understand the point.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> For GGC/Akamai or other CDN we have to meet certain criteria and there<br>
>>>>> are dependencies. But there are something which is within our control<br>
>>>>> but still missing. Finger cross...and hope for the best.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> -Pappu<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On 11/23/13, 12:30 PM, Simon Sohel Baroi / IIG-ITC / Sr.Manager /<br>
>>>>> <a href="tel:01678618243" value="+8801678618243">01678618243</a> / wrote:<br>
>>>>>> Really agreed with Pappu vai's comment. Finanacial thing is the<br>
>> biggest<br>
>>>>>> issue.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Roman vai, Peering through ITC is not possible. As Bharti and Tata<br>
>>>>>> forcefully bundle the price with IP transit. You can connect with the<br>
>>>>> CDN<br>
>>>>>> operator ot IX directly. But they will charge you IPLC and IP transit<br>
>>>>>> together. So, peering become more costly solution.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Regarding Global cache. I talked with Akamai. Their cach is very big<br>
>> and<br>
>>>>>> running in 2 places in Bangladesh. But they want to connect them with<br>
>>>>> BDIX.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Simon.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On Saturday, November 23, 2013, Mohibul Hasib Mahmud wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> My personal observation is we should work for more local peering and<br>
>>>>>>> global cache locally in the form of CDN ( global CDN like Akamai) to<br>
>>>>>>> improve end user experience.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Thanks<br>
>>>>>>> Hasib<br>
>>>>>>> BRACNet<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Nurul Islam Roman <<a href="mailto:nurul@apnic.net">nurul@apnic.net</a><br>
>> <javascript:_e({},<br>
>>>>> 'cvml', '<a href="mailto:nurul@apnic.net">nurul@apnic.net</a>');><br>
>>>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> What is something else :).<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Is it more peering? Does it worth peering with IPLC? Or should we<br>
>>>>>>>> advocate more local peering and bring global cache locally? I have<br>
>>>>> got<br>
>>>>>>>> positive comments in BD though regarding peering with IPLC<br>
>> (specially<br>
>>>>> end<br>
>>>>>>>> user experience) and also price perspective. What is the community<br>
>>>>> thought<br>
>>>>>>>> on this? BIG FAT vs Good quality? Thanks Simon for bringing this. :)<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Regards<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Roman<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/13 4:52 AM, "Fakrul Alam" <<a href="mailto:fakrul@bdhub.com">fakrul@bdhub.com</a><br>
>> <javascript:_e({},<br>
>>>>>>>> 'cvml', '<a href="mailto:fakrul@bdhub.com">fakrul@bdhub.com</a>');>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> This been tricky. There are two aspects; financial & technical.<br>
>>>>>>>>> Technically it's been great to have big names like PCCW, HGC, HKIX,<br>
>>>>>>>>> Telstra, NTT, AT&T; but you need to find out whether it's been<br>
>>>>> feasible<br>
>>>>>>>>> financially when:<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> 1. You have 30++ IIG in the market.<br>
>>>>>>>>> 2. BSCCL half circuit price is roughly 80% of your total b/w cost<br>
>> for<br>
>>>>>>>>> SMW4.<br>
>>>>>>>>> 3. 10% revenue share with BTRC.<br>
>>>>>>>>> 4. Competitive market where price win in all aspect.<br>
>>>>>>>>> 5. ITC holding IIG license (I know there will be lot of arguments)<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> -Pappu<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/13, 9:17 PM, Simon Sohel Baroi / IIG-ITC / Sr.Manager /<br>
>>>>>>>>> 01678618243 / wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear All,<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> I think so many topic is going on. I want to add another one. This<br>
>>>>> is<br>
>>>>>>>>>> really important as all of us want to have a good internet in<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Bangladesh.<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> Before the ITC Connectivity comes to Bangladesh. We found MANGO<br>
>> and<br>
>>>>>>>> BTCL<br>
>>>>>>>>>> connected with different Tire-1 IP Transit Providers.<br>
>>>>>>>>>> But the number were limited to TIS, Bharti, Singtel, TM. As the<br>
>>>>> price<br>
>>>>>>>>>> was<br>
>>>>>>>>>> really high, then people couldn't tell anything about the transit<br>
>>>>>>>>>> provider.<br>
>>>>>>>>>> I found MANGO sometimes added some new name in their list. But<br>
>> BTCL<br>
>>>>>>>>>> didn't,<br>
>>>>>>>>>> as expected. Now the new player, BSCCL is connected only with TIS.<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> When ITC comes, the scenario become worst. The internet cost<br>
>> reduced<br>
>>>>>>>> 82%<br>
>>>>>>>>>> and all of us get connected with TATA and Bharti.<br>
>>>>>>>>>> As the big borthers wont allow the ITC provider to go with IPLC<br>
>> and<br>
>>>>> go<br>
>>>>>>>>>> to<br>
>>>>>>>>>> other providers. The price is binded with their IP Transit. Some<br>
>>>>> kind<br>
>>>>>>>> of<br>
>>>>>>>>>> IPLC kinle IPTransit FREE.<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> All of us Bharti and TATA - with big big pipe. When a client ping<br>
>>>>> from<br>
>>>>>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>>>>>> laptop, they have to pass atleast one of them.<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> *Don't you think, we are missing some good things ? ( Big names<br>
>> like<br>
>>>>>>>>>> PCCW,<br>
>>>>>>>>>> HGC, HKIX, Telstra, NTT, AT&T etc ) *<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> *Don't you think, we are giving client a very bad internet<br>
>>>>> experience<br>
>>>>>>>> ?*<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> *OR*<br>
>>>>>>>>>> *Getting Google within 70ms is more than enough for the client.*<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> What do you think - BIG FAT Pipe with INDIA - or - GOOD Transit<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Providers<br>
>>>>>>>>>> - or - Something else. ?<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> - with regards<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> SIMON<br>
>>>>>>>>>> *( Apu da and Amin vai, please don't get me wrong as I have used<br>
>>>>>>>> MANGO's<br>
>>>>>>>>>> name without your permission )*<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
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